Woman's life transformed by unbelievable placebo treatment for chronic pain | Horizon - BBC

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annakeye
annakeye - Месяц назад
What a load of shit. So they have knocked people out, with all the dangers associated with anæsthetic, opened them up, with all the dangers associated with it and the potential for infection, just to prove a point? I hope this doesn't become a standard practice because I don't really get the point. It's one thing to give placebo "pills", it's an entirely different game to go into an expensive surgical situation. If there's a procedure that fixes this problem, then will they give it too her once she sees this video and immediately relapses into pain? I totally get the need to understand the placebo effect but this seems a risky way to go about it. PS: Either that surgeon is wearing contact lenses to match his scrubs or there's something very peculiar with the colour in this video.
Tak Tsing
Tak Tsing - Месяц назад
an invasive placebo
xihang yang
xihang yang - Месяц назад
so every idiot could be a surgeon now?
Jim Bob
Jim Bob - Месяц назад
The bbc knows all about fake stuff eh?
Is it time yet? Waste
Is it time yet? Waste - Месяц назад
Ask your mother,she faked plenty throughout her life.Too bad she wasn't good at swallowing.
Ake Kul
Ake Kul - Месяц назад
Is it ethical to put patients in the trial despite consents?
Ake Kul
Ake Kul - Месяц назад
Complications pertaining to endoscopic shoulder surgery is somewhere between 5.8-9.5% and those associated with general anasthesia is minimal according to patient's general health condition. It was considered low for operation done routinely but not insignificant.
Kyolin
Kyolin - Месяц назад
It's a bone spur surgery so its by no mean life-threatening. The patients themselves know clearly what they signed up for.
Ake Kul
Ake Kul - Месяц назад
+Kyolin Unnecessay operation carries certain risks to patients and what if the patients really need an operations but were allocated to the placebo arm!!!
Kyolin
Kyolin - Месяц назад
They knew about the experiment.
George Firth
George Firth - Месяц назад
Look up epigenetics to find out how placebos works 😎😁
George Firth
George Firth - Месяц назад
No problem. I learnt it all through reading the book 'You Are The Placebo' by Dr Joe Dispenza.
Is it time yet? Waste
Is it time yet? Waste - Месяц назад
Thanks!
Sully S
Sully S - Месяц назад
The brain isn't the most complex and powerful object in the known universe for no reason
Katy Leckie
Katy Leckie - Месяц назад
Pretty sure my brain tells me stuff is painful that shouldn't be, it's a powerful thing. When material against my skin can feel like needles poking me, and tiredness from a few hours less sleep can make me feel so nauseous I'm sick, I don't doubt that it can go the other way with the placebo effect.
_ Faizeeeh_
_ Faizeeeh_ - Месяц назад
How amazingly brain work's.
John Doe
John Doe - Месяц назад
It's interesting, but she WAS put under and cut open, she DID have all the normal painkillers and her body had to recover and mend in the same way. So it's not like a Placebo Pill that does nothing physically. The long procedure would have the same traumatic effect on the body in both cases. It's NOT a direct comparison of Surgery vs No Surgery, it's a slightly simplified version of the same Surgery.
John Doe
John Doe - Месяц назад
No, the operation painkillers are different & more powerful than what they would have had previously AND use with & after powerful anesthetic, they DID use the sling to rest the arm which held the arm - needed or not, they DID have invasive surgery, and the tissue will heal back to how it was after being CUT OPEN, which I repeat, is NOT the same as doing nothing!! The incision & manipulation will be exactly the same in both cases, right up to actually removing the spur. Quite possibly the spur actually being removed (or not) makes no difference to an outcome with no pain - YES, that will probably turn out to be true, but in this experiment that's only the case after ALL the patients had almost exactly the same physical treatment. So you can't discount the effects of the surgery on the outcome, with or without spurs. It was definitely a study worth doing and it's a step forward, but what they call a Placebo 'Fake Surgery' is in no way the same as a Placebo 'Fake Pill'.
Kyolin
Kyolin - Месяц назад
+John Doe I understand what you are saying. But the mock surgery should not affect the experiment at all. While they did make an incision through the tissue to see underneath, the incision itself shouldn't manipulate the area to such an extent that it will alter the result of the experiment. This *must* be a constant in the experiment. Regarding pain killers, medications, and other supplements, many patients often use them before they even consult a doctor. If those were to be what cured the pain from the spur, then - without any surgery - the pain shouldn't be reappearing. But it does. And the fact that pain killers do not stay in the system permanently suggests that it can't be a contributing factor. Similar to those who had a real spur removal, these patients also had to wear a sling. The sling itself is important for those with spur removed as keep their arms in place while healing is taken place - it also serves to remedy pain. However, for those who had the mock surgery, the sling did nothing except giving them an illusion that they had a real surgery. The area would had healed normally regardless if they wore a sling or not, as it was simply an incision - not an extensive manipulation like the removal of a bone spur. All the sling served were keeping their arm in place - which contributes nothing to their healing - and giving them a placebo effect. The tissues will simply heal back to how it was before because the spur is still there. Because of that, it was eliminated as an influencing factor to the experiment. These tend to be common considerations when it comes to medical experiments and are often controlled.
John Doe
John Doe - Месяц назад
My point was it's not Surgery vs No Surgery. Just removing the spur didn't remove the pain, but having real surgery was part of the treatment, it's not Placebo in the sense that it wasn't all physiological. Yes she had to THINK she'd had surgery, but she actually DID have surgery, the body DID have to mend and recover, even if the spur is still there. There's been quite a specific combination of anesthetic, powerful painkillers, manipulation and cutting of muscle tissue in the area the pain is thought to originate, as well as having the arm in a sling for a period after along with specific post-operation physio... they had an extensive physical operation, they didn't just THINK they did. The experiment proved removing the spur wasn't the solution, but not that the patient's pain had been phycological. Maybe it WAS physiological and we'll eventually find that absolutely no major surgery is not needed (which would be great!) but that's not proven by this particular experiment.
Kyolin
Kyolin - Месяц назад
I disagree that she had to recover and mend in the same way. They key different here is rather the spur was removed or not. The pain killer might temporary aid with pain experienced from the spur while helping patients heal from the fake surgery, but it should not affects how the spur affects the patients once they are healed from the surgery. In fact, I doubt pain killer even had any effect on the patients' spur as they often are what patients resort to prior to meeting a doctor. So while yes, they did technically go through a surgery. But because of the fact that the spur was not removed, their conditions should return once they stopped taking pain killer. Which was disproved by this experiment.
Natasha N
Natasha N - Месяц назад
Amazing what the brain can do.
Tahir Rana
Tahir Rana - Месяц назад
BBC is Fake News!!
kirk toufor
kirk toufor - Месяц назад
Carol is an idiot
marcus howard
marcus howard - Месяц назад
Lmao
Michael Foley
Michael Foley - Месяц назад
It's double blind up until the surgeon is informed, then it is only single blind.
Presumably the surgeon follows up with the patient and that interaction is rigorously prepared for and documented so the patients have no clue if they're in the placebo group, until they see themselves on the BBC.
To preserve the integrity of the study the reporter should not have been told who was placebo but just given several patients from each group to interview.
Hopefully the report itself will encourage more such studies and patient willingness to participate.
Sgt. Hugo Stiglitz
Sgt. Hugo Stiglitz - Месяц назад
Very interesting.
PrimiusLovin
PrimiusLovin - Месяц назад
It's a pity I didn't get fake surgery for my fistula, now I have a scar... and it was also useless for my pneumothorax!...
PrimiusLovin
PrimiusLovin - Месяц назад
Not really whining, but my wife might do that when she sees me from behind...
Tom Sun
Tom Sun - Месяц назад
Yours is an entirely different case man. Must have been diagnostic then and your whining about the scar..
Franky Aranda
Franky Aranda - Месяц назад
That’s crazy how that stuff works huh
Rohan Chauhan
Rohan Chauhan - Месяц назад
Sounds Law Of Attraction 😋
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